As I am helping Ukrainian refugees as we speak and have direct access to their experiences, it is interesting to see someone trying to turn terror bombing and an imperialist war into a debate about hard drives.
I understand that it can be hard to understand what motivates Putin to destroy the reputation and international standing of Russia on the battlefield of Ukraine, but that does not change the facts on the ground. Any handwaving and "see look here instead!" does not change that.
I am not sure if you even are a real person or some figment of an FSB officer's imagination, but regardless: You (or him) is actively supporting one of the most brutal wars in modern history. That makes you an accomplice in crimes against humanity. How you are able to live with that is beyond me.
Brilliant. I share with friends who are like Charlie Brown attempting to kick the football Lucy always pulls away at the last second. Seems no matter how many times they land flat on their back, they're drinking the Kool-Aid again.
Somewhat fascinating - but ironic - that VK writes "....Listen to what they have to say and learn the truth..." when one of the people he regularly points us towards is best noted for his book "The Noble Lie."
But let me put this Ukrainian situation into easily-digestible form for you.
The US is bankrupt, whether morally or economically makes no difference.
It sees its nemesis, China, coming full speed towards it.
What to do?
Usually, a re-run of a past strategy which served it well; and so if the US and its dual passport-holder controllers can destroy two of its competitors, ie Russia and the EU, by first getting them to destroy each other, then the US can come in on the back of that to "lend money" all round, a la "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," and take control of those two great powers, precisely as it did to the EU, or Europe as it was then, post WW2. Thus of course any talk of a resurgent and dynamic ruble as a replacement of the dollar will be consigned to history.
The US will by this means then be able to extend its provocations from threatening Russia, as it does today, to threatening China, as it will be able to do then. Obviously, any "Power of Siberia" deals will at that time fall by the wayside, and the entire playbook will recommence with China now in the crosshairs.
There is no book "The Noble Lie" as you say. Mearsheimer cannot, therefore, be best know for it. He is by far best known for his book "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy." He used the term Noble Lie in some of his lectures without morally endorsing this concept. What he meant by it is an untruth told by a leader that is not intended to benefit him personally but advance the interest (in the leader's view) of his nation. Measrsheimer uses this phase in a purely descriptive sense.
Thank you for clarifying that point; however, this gentleman is most associated with the idea, whether he wrote a book about it or not.
But by using the term, he implicitly endorses it - otherwise he would call it "The disingenuous lie," or "The Self-Serving Lie", or some other descriptor.
He is using what is called circular logic, ie "whatever I say is noble is automatically noble, because I define what noble is, not you."
This kind of logic was best exemplified by Humpty Dumpty, who also had this worldview, when he explained to Alice - who questioned him as to the definition of a word he had used - "When I use a word, it means exactly what I decide it means, neither more nor less" - and that was supposed to be the end of it.
Unfortunately however, not even the frightening intelligence displayed by Humpty Dumpty can ever rationalise an oxymoron; ie it is never possible to describe a lie as noble.
Your explanation as to what he means by the term is redolent of his endorsement of it, but anybody entertaining such notions is immediately placing themselves in deep water, because they are presuming to know "what is in the best interest of the nation", and I would suggest that that is always telling the truth, because no man is wise enough to be able to modify what truth is even for himself - and even less so for those others whom his decision will inevitably impact.
Far better than telling a lie - which is forbidden by God - is simply to say nothing; although this is also called "lying by omission" and as such is also blameworthy.
Obviously, all that has to happen to somebody who tells one of these supposedly noble lies is that later circumstances reveal the fact that what he said was a lie - no matter the intent behind the lie - and so anything that person ever says again will be sullied with this past record of deceit.
As they say, "Once a liar, always a liar."
And thus, of course, the noble lies that the Ukrainian leadership told about the Bucha event, and the mass grave event, and the Kramatorsk event.
Doubtless they considered that these "noble lies" were told so as to ensure the continuation of their failed state through the imposition of a no-fly zone; but this seems increasingly less likely, not more likely, because anybody with a vestige of common sense realises what they are doing, and increasingly distrusts anything they are saying, western media collaboration notwithstanding.
And thus, anybody promoting the idea of the noble lie has clearly not thought the implications through sufficiently to be able to recommend this course of action to others.
No Substack article could possibly "cover all the crimes and lies of the media." It would take many shelf-feet of small print, law-library style, to do that. And if you're starting to realize how twisted the news is, just imagine what they've done with history.
None of this is new, it's just more extreme now. Rule by propaganda and manipulation is a long-standing norm. That's what "democracy" means.
Great work!!!
Thanks!
As I am helping Ukrainian refugees as we speak and have direct access to their experiences, it is interesting to see someone trying to turn terror bombing and an imperialist war into a debate about hard drives.
I understand that it can be hard to understand what motivates Putin to destroy the reputation and international standing of Russia on the battlefield of Ukraine, but that does not change the facts on the ground. Any handwaving and "see look here instead!" does not change that.
I am not sure if you even are a real person or some figment of an FSB officer's imagination, but regardless: You (or him) is actively supporting one of the most brutal wars in modern history. That makes you an accomplice in crimes against humanity. How you are able to live with that is beyond me.
When lying liars lie.
Brilliant. I share with friends who are like Charlie Brown attempting to kick the football Lucy always pulls away at the last second. Seems no matter how many times they land flat on their back, they're drinking the Kool-Aid again.
It seems the only way you believe something is you have to experience it firsthand.
Somewhat fascinating - but ironic - that VK writes "....Listen to what they have to say and learn the truth..." when one of the people he regularly points us towards is best noted for his book "The Noble Lie."
But let me put this Ukrainian situation into easily-digestible form for you.
The US is bankrupt, whether morally or economically makes no difference.
It sees its nemesis, China, coming full speed towards it.
What to do?
Usually, a re-run of a past strategy which served it well; and so if the US and its dual passport-holder controllers can destroy two of its competitors, ie Russia and the EU, by first getting them to destroy each other, then the US can come in on the back of that to "lend money" all round, a la "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," and take control of those two great powers, precisely as it did to the EU, or Europe as it was then, post WW2. Thus of course any talk of a resurgent and dynamic ruble as a replacement of the dollar will be consigned to history.
The US will by this means then be able to extend its provocations from threatening Russia, as it does today, to threatening China, as it will be able to do then. Obviously, any "Power of Siberia" deals will at that time fall by the wayside, and the entire playbook will recommence with China now in the crosshairs.
There is no book "The Noble Lie" as you say. Mearsheimer cannot, therefore, be best know for it. He is by far best known for his book "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy." He used the term Noble Lie in some of his lectures without morally endorsing this concept. What he meant by it is an untruth told by a leader that is not intended to benefit him personally but advance the interest (in the leader's view) of his nation. Measrsheimer uses this phase in a purely descriptive sense.
Thank you for clarifying that point; however, this gentleman is most associated with the idea, whether he wrote a book about it or not.
But by using the term, he implicitly endorses it - otherwise he would call it "The disingenuous lie," or "The Self-Serving Lie", or some other descriptor.
He is using what is called circular logic, ie "whatever I say is noble is automatically noble, because I define what noble is, not you."
This kind of logic was best exemplified by Humpty Dumpty, who also had this worldview, when he explained to Alice - who questioned him as to the definition of a word he had used - "When I use a word, it means exactly what I decide it means, neither more nor less" - and that was supposed to be the end of it.
Unfortunately however, not even the frightening intelligence displayed by Humpty Dumpty can ever rationalise an oxymoron; ie it is never possible to describe a lie as noble.
Your explanation as to what he means by the term is redolent of his endorsement of it, but anybody entertaining such notions is immediately placing themselves in deep water, because they are presuming to know "what is in the best interest of the nation", and I would suggest that that is always telling the truth, because no man is wise enough to be able to modify what truth is even for himself - and even less so for those others whom his decision will inevitably impact.
Far better than telling a lie - which is forbidden by God - is simply to say nothing; although this is also called "lying by omission" and as such is also blameworthy.
Obviously, all that has to happen to somebody who tells one of these supposedly noble lies is that later circumstances reveal the fact that what he said was a lie - no matter the intent behind the lie - and so anything that person ever says again will be sullied with this past record of deceit.
As they say, "Once a liar, always a liar."
And thus, of course, the noble lies that the Ukrainian leadership told about the Bucha event, and the mass grave event, and the Kramatorsk event.
Doubtless they considered that these "noble lies" were told so as to ensure the continuation of their failed state through the imposition of a no-fly zone; but this seems increasingly less likely, not more likely, because anybody with a vestige of common sense realises what they are doing, and increasingly distrusts anything they are saying, western media collaboration notwithstanding.
And thus, anybody promoting the idea of the noble lie has clearly not thought the implications through sufficiently to be able to recommend this course of action to others.
No Substack article could possibly "cover all the crimes and lies of the media." It would take many shelf-feet of small print, law-library style, to do that. And if you're starting to realize how twisted the news is, just imagine what they've done with history.
None of this is new, it's just more extreme now. Rule by propaganda and manipulation is a long-standing norm. That's what "democracy" means.